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	<title>Comments on: Why Ning will work and not work at the same time.</title>
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		<title>By: J Lee Harshbarger</title>
		<link>http://crueltobekind.org/why-ning-will-work-and-not-work-at-the-same-time-367#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>J Lee Harshbarger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now belong to at least three social networks that use Ning, and have uncovered their insidious terms of service.  I am particularly disturbed by the words, &quot;You hereby grant Ning, during the course of your usage of the Ning Platform, a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, sublicenseable and transferable right and license to (i) use, reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform and publicly display Your Content...&quot;  Perpetual and irrevocable??  What&#039;s the deal with that?  It makes me wary of using any Ning communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now belong to at least three social networks that use Ning, and have uncovered their insidious terms of service.  I am particularly disturbed by the words, &#8220;You hereby grant Ning, during the course of your usage of the Ning Platform, a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, sublicenseable and transferable right and license to (i) use, reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform and publicly display Your Content&#8230;&#8221;  Perpetual and irrevocable??  What&#8217;s the deal with that?  It makes me wary of using any Ning communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://crueltobekind.org/why-ning-will-work-and-not-work-at-the-same-time-367#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presently, the Ning Terms Of Service state &quot;By uploading Content to a Network in which the Content is designated as Public Content, you grant to Ning and all other Users a nonexclusive license to reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform, and publicly display such Content on the condition that the Content is attributed in a manner specified by its author, if at all (a “Public Content License”).&quot;

This license gives them the rights over any content we submit. They only need to ask for a non-exclusive electronic right to archive, promote, newsletter, publicly perform and publicly display such Content for the purposes of making it available to the general public.

I have a problem with terms that state they can create derivative works from the content that I submit.


That is unfair to Bloggers!

If you recall Myspace change their terms not to long ago because they were unfair to artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presently, the Ning Terms Of Service state &#8220;By uploading Content to a Network in which the Content is designated as Public Content, you grant to Ning and all other Users a nonexclusive license to reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform, and publicly display such Content on the condition that the Content is attributed in a manner specified by its author, if at all (a “Public Content License”).&#8221;</p>
<p>This license gives them the rights over any content we submit. They only need to ask for a non-exclusive electronic right to archive, promote, newsletter, publicly perform and publicly display such Content for the purposes of making it available to the general public.</p>
<p>I have a problem with terms that state they can create derivative works from the content that I submit.</p>
<p>That is unfair to Bloggers!</p>
<p>If you recall Myspace change their terms not to long ago because they were unfair to artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Bianchini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Bianchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nicole!


Thanks so much for your great post and set of questions.

Here&#146;s a couple of points:

Intellectual Property Ownership - You Own It

In terms of intellectual property, you own what you do on your network. I&#039;d encourage you to look at our terms of service at http://www.ning.com/about/tos.html. Our business goal is to offer advertising on the free social networks running on the Ning service. We don&#039;t need to &quot;own&quot; anything except the right to run those ads.

Internationalization – We Have It

We are fully internationalized and people are already creating networks in other languages. You can see how to do it here: http://docs.ning.com/page/page/show?id=492524%3APage%3A6. Sampa Network at http://sampanetwork.ning.com is a good example of a Portuguese language network someone created.

Data Privacy Laws – You&#146;re Right

Nicole, you&#146;re right that we operate in the U.S. Here&#146;s our privacy policy: http://www.ning.com/about/privacy.html. We certainly aren&#146;t trying to cut off the option of running under European Privacy Laws.

Domain Name Mapping – We&#146;re Moving to the Moveable Type Model

Agreed that mirroring isn&#146;t ideal and that&#146;s how we do it now. We&#146;re looking to make this change to the Moveable Type model in the coming months.

Uptime – We Care About More than the U.S.

This was a by-product of what I described here: http://blog.ning.com/2007/03/tan_rested_and_ready.html.

Again, thanks for your feedback and post. We really appreciate it. If you have any additional questions for me, by all means drop me at ceo(at)ning(dot)com.

Thanks!

Gina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nicole!</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your great post and set of questions.</p>
<p>Here&#0146;s a couple of points:</p>
<p>Intellectual Property Ownership &#8211; You Own It</p>
<p>In terms of intellectual property, you own what you do on your network. I&#8217;d encourage you to look at our terms of service at <a href="http://www.ning.com/about/tos.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ning.com/about/tos.html</a>. Our business goal is to offer advertising on the free social networks running on the Ning service. We don&#8217;t need to &#8220;own&#8221; anything except the right to run those ads.</p>
<p>Internationalization – We Have It</p>
<p>We are fully internationalized and people are already creating networks in other languages. You can see how to do it here: <a href="http://docs.ning.com/page/page/show?id=492524%3APage%3A6" rel="nofollow">http://docs.ning.com/page/page/show?id=492524%3APage%3A6</a>. Sampa Network at <a href="http://sampanetwork.ning.com" rel="nofollow">http://sampanetwork.ning.com</a> is a good example of a Portuguese language network someone created.</p>
<p>Data Privacy Laws – You&#0146;re Right</p>
<p>Nicole, you&#0146;re right that we operate in the U.S. Here&#0146;s our privacy policy: <a href="http://www.ning.com/about/privacy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ning.com/about/privacy.html</a>. We certainly aren&#0146;t trying to cut off the option of running under European Privacy Laws.</p>
<p>Domain Name Mapping – We&#0146;re Moving to the Moveable Type Model</p>
<p>Agreed that mirroring isn&#0146;t ideal and that&#0146;s how we do it now. We&#0146;re looking to make this change to the Moveable Type model in the coming months.</p>
<p>Uptime – We Care About More than the U.S.</p>
<p>This was a by-product of what I described here: <a href="http://blog.ning.com/2007/03/tan_rested_and_ready.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.ning.com/2007/03/tan_rested_and_ready.html</a>.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for your feedback and post. We really appreciate it. If you have any additional questions for me, by all means drop me at ceo(at)ning(dot)com.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Gina</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.  So, with NING, if privacy and ownership of intellectual property is an issue. how do I set up a small socnet?  What software, what server, etc.  I am borderline geek with a real curiosity to learn some of the necessary means to accomplish my ends.  I was intrigued by NING because of the apparent ease it provided for the building of a fairly complex socnet with various features and design elements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.  So, with NING, if privacy and ownership of intellectual property is an issue. how do I set up a small socnet?  What software, what server, etc.  I am borderline geek with a real curiosity to learn some of the necessary means to accomplish my ends.  I was intrigued by NING because of the apparent ease it provided for the building of a fairly complex socnet with various features and design elements.</p>
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		<title>By: alan patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah...your site doesn&#039;t embed links...its here at
http://broadstuff.com/archives/171-On-the-Ning-Nang-Nong.....html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;your site doesn&#8217;t embed links&#8230;its here at<br />
<a href="http://broadstuff.com/archives/171-On-the-Ning-Nang-Nong.....html" rel="nofollow">http://broadstuff.com/archives/171-On-the-Ning-Nang-Nong&#8230;..html</a></p>
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		<title>By: alan patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nicole

Nice analysis, I did a lesser one &lt;a href=&quot;http://broadstuff.com/archives/171-On-the-Ning-Nang-Nong.....html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; but basically came to similar conclusions (like you we set up our first site a year ago). I&#039;ve linked to yours in my post now. A. Like you I suspect the ning business model will have to change, as there are so many open platforms now.     

After building our website in Drupal (our blogsite uses Serendipity), I&#039;m not sure I would use it for a SocNet. 

By the way, there are a lot of us worried about data integrity and privacy in the UK as well.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nicole</p>
<p>Nice analysis, I did a lesser one <a href="http://broadstuff.com/archives/171-On-the-Ning-Nang-Nong.....html" rel="nofollow">here</a> but basically came to similar conclusions (like you we set up our first site a year ago). I&#8217;ve linked to yours in my post now. A. Like you I suspect the ning business model will have to change, as there are so many open platforms now.     </p>
<p>After building our website in Drupal (our blogsite uses Serendipity), I&#8217;m not sure I would use it for a SocNet. </p>
<p>By the way, there are a lot of us worried about data integrity and privacy in the UK as well&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah I agree - as said for my own I would never go somewhere else like this ;). But thanks for those links!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah I agree &#8211; as said for my own I would never go somewhere else like this ;). But thanks for those links!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole

Interesting analysis.  Data and control are going to be important going forward.

I&#039;ve created a list of white label social networking apps, you can see it here
http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/02/12/list-of-white-label-social-networking-platforms/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole</p>
<p>Interesting analysis.  Data and control are going to be important going forward.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve created a list of white label social networking apps, you can see it here<br />
<a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/02/12/list-of-white-label-social-networking-platforms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/02/12/list-of-white-label-social-networking-platforms/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it would be good if they would have a backup modell / system and or export. I bet many people would rather go with them and use them if there would be a chance to extract the data from them. But yes, basically that is us control freaks again, whereas if you look at many myspace users etc, they jsut dont care enough about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it would be good if they would have a backup modell / system and or export. I bet many people would rather go with them and use them if there would be a chance to extract the data from them. But yes, basically that is us control freaks again, whereas if you look at many myspace users etc, they jsut dont care enough about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Marks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I played with Ning a year ago but had similar concerns. I had no guarantee that my intellectual property input would be protected - and there was the lock-in factor. if they went away, what would happen to my applications, settings, etc. I too am concerned about Lock-in. They might change their pricing model overnight and it could cost a fortune to rescue your own stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I played with Ning a year ago but had similar concerns. I had no guarantee that my intellectual property input would be protected &#8211; and there was the lock-in factor. if they went away, what would happen to my applications, settings, etc. I too am concerned about Lock-in. They might change their pricing model overnight and it could cost a fortune to rescue your own stuff.</p>
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